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Charlotte Dune's avatar

Yep, but I’m not so concerned about her beating Trump. I just think it looks so bad to the rest of the world to have Biden in charge right now. Like get him out. It makes America seem very vulnerable to have him as president.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

"looks so bad" "makes America SEEM"

There is a huge difference between The Image of the man created by media and political campaigns vs The Reality of how the man governs. And most of the time when people say "seems" it means "I feel like." ;-)

A book that's been on my mind a lot lately: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image:_A_Guide_to_Pseudo-events_in_America

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Charlotte Dune's avatar

Optics matter

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

Yeah, and lies matter. The lies that Trump spews matter to the people dumb enough to believe them.

But don't call it "optics." That's a euphemism. Call it what it is: lies and bullshit for people dumb enough to blindly believe what their televisions and curated news feeds want them to believe. That's what political campaigns are - emotionally manipulative garbage to emotionally manipulate the ignorant.

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Charlotte Dune's avatar

But yes, of course lies matter.

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Charlotte Dune's avatar

I was speaking of the optics of Biden’s debate performance.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it doesn't matter at all as much as people are saying it does.

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Kenny H's avatar

They do. But do you know what matters more? US weapons and US soft power. The US military being really large. The government is a lot more than the president. If the policies are right then it doesn't matter too much about who is the president.

It might be embarrassing for Americans but that's about it. Policy is the important thing.

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Kenny H's avatar

Harris as president policy wise wouldn't be much different from Biden. The issue is she has not proven to be a good campaigned aside from beating other Democrats in CA, which isn't a good metric to judge a national politician. She flamed out badly in the primary.

The fact that all these pundits and many problem openly calling for Biden to step down from the campaign are floating other random Democrats that are not the vice president says it all.

Right now the fractured nature of the Democratic coalition is showing. Like many people are optimistic about Biden stepping down and their preferred candidate or some "consensus candidate" coming into save them. Yet it's not immediately apparent such a person exists.

In fact it seems any Biden replacement will immediately cause a disruption and lead to more in-fighting.

If Harris isn't chosen she needs to make it very clear that she supports whomever is chosen or else you are going to have Harris fans(which there are some very dedicated ones) will throw a complete tantrum. The narrative will spin very much out of control fast.

They will likely also need to have an open convention and people will accuse the party of not being "democratic."

If a white guy is chosen they will he accused of racism if a non-white guy is chosen they will he accused of "DEI" or playing "identity politics."

It's a mess if Biden stays in due to the fact that many people won normally support him have called on him to suspend his campaign as well.

No matter what it's a mess. Usually the "The Democrats are in disarray" headlines are hyperbole. Not right now.

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