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Marc Friedman's avatar

Spot on, Sally. Well done!

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Sally Shideler's avatar

Thank you! 😃 Hey, you got anything in the hopper? We'd love to publish you again sometime soon!

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Marc Friedman's avatar

No short stories in the works. I have 52 essays, book reviews and dialogues done and scheduled for publication through December. I will give some serious thought to another short story

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Jack Valker's avatar

I really do not understand all this ‘inhumane conditions’ stuff. They’re from an actual satanic gang that warped El Salvador into a drug and human trafficking hub. They butchered dissenters and recruited kids into their horrifying criminal network for decades. These people had El Salvador on its knees with obscene levels of violence and torture before they were rounded up and imprisoned.

I understand why this case has become a lightning rod. But the amount of ignorant people who previously hadn’t given two shits about El Salvador when it was under a literal reign of terror from the mid oughts through 2020- who suddenly have an opinion//are ethical philosophers, is astounding.

It’s the equivalent of ‘fReE thE dEmOns tHey’Re mIsuNderStoOd’.

10 years ago one of the ‘lil homies’ would cut off your head as an initiation ritual. All of this piety signaling from coastal goobers.

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Sally Shideler's avatar

The fact is that we do not send people to inhumane foreign prisons. We don't send people to deluxe foreign prisons! America doesn't send people to foreign prisons at all.

And we don't send anyone to prison without due process. It doesn't matter if you think the guy is a gang member or a lost Romanov: Due process defines the next step.

The due process Kilmar Abrego Garcia has already received secured a "withdrawal of removal" order. That this order has been illegally contravened is bad enough, but for him to be sent to a gulag is the cherry on top.

Your argument that he deserves it because he is said to be a gang member - an accusation ICE ultimately ruled against - is immaterial to the law.

The fact that you believe otherwise is terrifying if you're an American who votes.

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Jack Valker's avatar

I did not make the argument that ‘he’ ‘deserves’ anything, Sally. Read the comment.

I pointed out that it’s strange you, and many other people writing about this, have trojan horse’d in complaints about the treatment of el Salvadoran MS-13 gang members from photos you’ve now seen for the first time on your timelines as a result of this case. When 3 years ago many of you couldn’t point to El Salvador on a map.

I got news for you. The world isn’t America. You think when MS-13 had El Salvador in a headlock (which they did by the way) there was ‘due process’? It was an impoverished, violent, destabilized country. And then Bukele called a state of emergency and rounded them up.

You know who’s not outraged by the ‘injustice’ done to these butchers? El-Salvadorans.

Have some intellectual humility. Critiquing the state of affairs in a country you have never been to and don’t have to suffer any of the material consequences from.

Mr. Garcia had legal protection. He shouldn’t have been deported. It’s wrong what’s happening to him.

But Imprisoned Ms-13 gang members in ‘general’ being somehow entitled to American sympathy and advocacy does not follow from that. It’s suspicious frankly that this point somehow keeps snaking into these articles.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

Couldn’t point to El Salvador on the map? Who do you think you are coming here and talking this shit?

You’re a fucking asshole and can fuck off now.

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Jack Valker's avatar

Where’s the lie Dave?

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Sally Shideler's avatar

The "lie" is that of course I know where El Salvador is on a map, and of course I am concerned for what's going on in their country. CECOT is inhumane for any type of criminal - for any human.

But to pretend not to understand that I'm speaking of it here in its capacity as a place America is paying a dictator to stash immigrants our president doesn't care for? That's facile.

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James Sarafin's avatar

Some of your opinions may be accurate but I noticed a few key elements not addressed in your presentation.

1. The government deals differently with people that are members of a foreign terrorist organization (Mara Salvatrucha aka MS13), you could check to see what those differences are.

2. The new president of El Salvadore has cleaned up the gangs, they are mostly in prison, probably the one you showed, so the ‘rival gang excuse’ that he made was no longer a valid ‘no deportation to El Salvadore’ reason. The asylum that you referenced states that asylum can only be granted if you fear your government, so giving him asylum for the fear of a gang might not have been legally valid.

3. In some of his encounters he was with other MS13 gang members. You don’t hang out with MS13 unless you are MS13, you won’t be allowed to, law of the street, period.

It would help if you addressed the above.

PS - How you address those that may have differing opinions says a lot about you and tarnishes your dialogue.

PPS – Many of your news sources have been lying to the American people for years, I suggest you research beyond them.

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Sally Shideler's avatar

Regrettably, it seems you have fundamentally misunderstood my entire piece.

"Some of my opinions may be accurate?" Nothing in this entire piece is opinion. Regardless of your care for the the facts, this piece is representative of immigration law, which I know personally, having helped a partner navigate the ICE system after applying for asylum.

And since this piece is not opinion, but fact, it is of no matter whether Abrego Garcia spent time near, with, around, or above MS-13 members. That is not proof that a crime has been committed.

In immigration law, the burden of proof resides with the individual. Abrego Garcia was able to demonstrate his need to remain in the country. That is the relevant information, full stop.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

Which news sources do you regard as reliable?

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James Sarafin's avatar

Hi David. Top two, Epoch Times and NewsMax.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

Why do you trust them so much?

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James Sarafin's avatar

They report the facts and leave the judgements up to us.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

How do you know they aren't just making up crap and presenting it as facts? Why trust them that they are being honest?

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James Sarafin's avatar

I trust until I am given a reason not to trust, so far they have not given me a reason. Your comment could be applied to anybody, anytime. Where does trust start and stop? We can not trust and do our own research, but your comment also applies to whatever research we do. In today's world, especially with the internet, it is almost impossible to determine what is truth and what is not. So we do the best we can and our results will vary because we are all different and our reactions to whatever information we get will be different, leading to different opinions. Our opinions are not right or wrong, just different. Unfortunately our leaders use our differences to turn us against each other, and too often we comply. Sad.

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Sally Shideler's avatar

In today's world, especially with the internet, it is almost impossible to determine what is truth and what is not.

With respect, it is still entirely possible to confirm what the law says.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

The reason not to trust them is because they both have a long track record of publishing conspiracy theory bullshit intended to dupe the ignorant. You only like them and blindly trust them because they are right-wing propaganda sources that tell right-wing people what they want to hear.

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James Sarafin's avatar

David; I have to leave for a ceremony for one of my daughters. We can continue at another time. Great talking with you.

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Leiah Bat Ami's avatar

Wow. Way to twist and distort the truth. Harvard’s, and other “esteemed” universities,’ anti-Israel demonstrations were not peaceful, and your photo degrading the Shoah by equating a Nazi genocide factory of law abiding Jews with a prison for some of the worst sadistic murderers on the planet reveals plenty about what you think of Jews. A disgusting example of today’s brain rot, upside down values, and BS propaganda.

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Sally Shideler's avatar

I have been to several concentration camps. Of course you know that for many years, they were used as internment centers, not death factories.

Nothing I have written is to the effect that the Shoah should be cheapened. Rather, I attempt to suggest that such an unspeakably awful thing could actually happen again.

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David Swindle 🟦's avatar

I write professionally about antisemitism and have worked for a Jewish newspaper for more than 5 years. I founded this Zionist publishing company. CECOT meets the definition of a concentration camp and acknowledging that fact says nothing about what one thinks of Jews. You are way out of line here.

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