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Fred Tribuzzo's avatar

Christ's 'forgiveness' in the the Lord's Prayer is the petition to avoid hatred. Hatred, once activated, has no bottom. It circles back and destroys the person in the throes of their hating. Justice is the "Sleeping Giant" waking up after Pearl Harbor and eliminating an existential threat, just as Israel needs to eliminate the killers of October 7th. Being human and flawed, leaders and soldiers may slip into hating, but our Western traditions and prayers continually pull us back from the all-consuming nature of hatred so that we stay committed to the aggressive, clear-eyed path of justice.

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steve pasternak's avatar

I am glad you at least realize that Hamas & the Gestapo (the intelligence agency for Nazi Germany) are comparable in their genocidal goal of killing all the Jews. But to claim the Gestapo is an easy case - shows that there is a major disconnect...

Remembering Elie Wiesel On Hatred, Anger and Forgiveness ...

At the 1993 Dinner of the American and International Societies for Yad Vashem dinner, Wiesel honed in on the organization's raison d'etre: “Memory. Forgiveness. Anger! I am for forgiveness but…will never forgive the enemies who killed our people." What is your basis for questioning Eli Wiesel and his life's work?

What is your experience with the Gestapo/Hamas?

Your advocating forgiveness means that you advocate excusing/ignoring their murdering/gang-raping/beheadings/kidnappings, etc

FIRST, STOP HAMAS. Hamas is killing Jews. Not years/decades ago - but now. Hamas wants to kill Jews every day. Today. Tomorrow. every day that they can. You want to forgive yesterday's murders and then what? Then forgive tomorrow's murders, and then the next days' murders? You are setting up a full time job for the rest of your life - forgiving every new massacre/killing...

Do you not see how that is twisted?

Enough with forgiveness/cheering them on or excusing their actions.

STOP HAMAS.

STOP HAMAS FROM KILLING.

DEMAND HAMAS RELEASE THE HOSTAGES.

Use your heart for compassion of the Hamas victims not for the Hamas perpetrators.

Use the hatred/disgust with Murderers to bring Justice and to Forever Stop Hamas and Jew-killers...

Because, as you wrote -- you keep seeking to forgive/pardon the actual KILLERS/MASS MURDERERS not even the "civilians supporting Hamas/the Gestapo... & in Hamas case - they have not yet been defeated, though they should be. Shockingly, you are advocating to forgive active murderers, as opposed to stopping their killing...

SUPPORT WHAT IS RIGHT.

STOP HAMAS KILLING!

HOLD ONTO COMPASSION FOR THE VICTIMS!

HAVE A HEART!

First, stop Hamas, bring Hamas to justice, prevent Hamas and all others from killing Jews, fully tend to the victims' needs with real compassion, & then worry about the hatred that exists for the mass murders of Jews. Still will not be forgiven - but perhaps you will see that they should not be, & you should not be seeking to aid/comfort Hamas... (Indeed, I believe they would kill you for your religious beliefs...)

Perhaps, based on your writings, it is you have an unstated/unresolved hatred that needs to be excised form your heart. If so, you need to change your path... For the road you are on is not going to get you to a pure/whole heart...

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

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