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From every professor I know which is only a few, they state that students are getting less prepared for actual college work. I really think this problem mostly starts in the K-12 system. There are low expectations and grades are based on willingness to confirm to busy work rather than mastery of the subject. This was somewhat the case 25 years ago when I left high school for college and had gotten extreme.

What it means to have a high school education is diminished, due to grade inflation. Schools just want high school graduates to have 8th grade proficiency. Often students getting really good grades only have 8th grade proficiency. What made matters worse was that California and some other institutions stopped accepting SAT scores as a factor in admissions. This is something that MIT had experimented with and decided to scrap fairly quickly. This method has resulted in far more people qualifying for presigious schools and thus a complete innundation of applications to prestigious schools that the admissions department cannot possibly vet properly.

On top of that it's actually discriminatory to a certain type of student. One that has strong raw intelligence and a good work ethic but has uneven intelligence or suffered personal setbacks like homelessness or a parental death or breakup that caused them to miss of flounder in high school, thus taking them out of the running for being admitted into a school despite their strong abilities.

I personally never took a SAT test, instead I went to community college, which is another good way to vet who will succeed at a four year school. People who complete general education courses at community colleges have a very high rate of success in four year schools once they transfer. The issue is that only 15% or so of community college students actually complete general ed through community college.

Lastly, I think a lot of this is practical. I read somewhere that we reached "peak student" in 2017 or so. Meaning they was the peak amount of students that existed, since then lower fertility rates are producing less kids eligible for college, this means colleges are more desperate for students and have a vested interest in seeing a higher percentage of young people go to college in order to maintain their funding and institution.

40% of the population getting a bachelor's degree is probably too high. It diminishes degrees, and to accommodate that high of a percentage of society in college you kind of have to lower your standards. I completely agree with Kenya's idea about education, it is much more than just about learning a skill, it's about being a "serious person" the thing is, if you are just passing people through that don't have the ability to really meet this standard it loses that purpose. Colleges should be at least mildly elitist. Quickly it's becoming akin to what a high school diploma was in the 1960s.

Again I think this starts in elementary school. Education needs reform all the way through from the top to the bottom at every single grade level, in every single state. I think our society is ready to listen to reforms and studies like the one from San Diego are a wakeup call. In the lower grades bring back phonics, get rid of phones in class, stop giving A's out like they are candy, the average grade should be a C or B - depending on the class. Give students the option of testing to get right into four year schools or go to community college first.

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